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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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psycho Richard good evening good

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afternoon good morning all the above

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Stefan here we are back in our favorite

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club down the end of the street we're

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actually here to record a think tank but

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I thought let's take the opportunity and

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intro the show well I'm shocked that I'm

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even here so that the back up here and

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killing two birds with one stone is just

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a phenomenon for me and it's going to be

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here this place is just rocking at the

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moment it is the new restaurants full of

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people i mean it's it's usually got some

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people here but it's i think they've

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changed the chef and the chef might be

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ivy like another operation going out of

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the money laundering or so you know

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they've just opened up a gyming you

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that's fine restaurant us easier or on

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protein shakes they know they even go

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from the gym to the restaurant or the

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restaurant of the gym all they come to

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the restaurant pig out and go home I

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just feel more guilty than they would

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have otherwise at the 24 hour gym you

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can come here in the morning or any

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guilt really kicks in what's good to be

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here but what episode are we on now 191

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that's ridiculous i'm sure i've been

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here for at least 190 at know how it was

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last time I was here it's been a while

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thinking why it's been a while this year

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2012 I can see why we're hurtling

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towards oblivion because this is almost

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over all right now ish it's interesting

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you should say hurtling towards oblivion

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because you know the world's ending this

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year anyway oh that's right but before

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it does I've noticed in the last couple

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of weeks our listenership has reached by

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about twenty-five to thirty percent are

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you trying to understand what a lot of

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people are downloading on a show they

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all want to be saved before the end ah

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yeah that's it yeah that's what they

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figure there's gonna be a skeptic

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rapture or may not thinks it's because

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of him I think he's probably she's

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probably good a good point there I'm a

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new a bit of a talent this is episode

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number 191 for the 16th of June

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and coming up coming up on today's

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episode dr. Ricci goes on a little

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adventure to Rhode Island in Sydney

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Harbour have you heard of Rhode Island

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I'd like this alone Weiland's is Sydney

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Harbour ya know what's on Rhode Island

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well not too much at the moment but in

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the past Louis pastors nib you did some

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research there with rabbits right I was

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islands with rabbits rabbits rabbits oh

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that's her laughing in the background

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nothing so we're gonna hear all about ok

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pastures near view on rhode island in

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sydney harbour wow it was a scientific

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research i abuse inside out and what

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else he got well a good man i met a year

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or so ago in california i smoke at his

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school oh really he's a high school

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teacher at a place called vacaville high

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school which is not far out of san

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francisco and i spoke their free student

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which get really great he's written to

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me in a concern because the governor of

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california is indicating that

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california's high school students need

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only do now one year of science to

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graduate high school instead of two

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enough or too isn't enough that's really

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it was that one year of science are

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weaned idea behind that we need to get a

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this so he has a chat to some of his

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teachers colleagues so teachers around

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the world will have a special interest

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in today's episode of the skipper sorry

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your Californian colleagues okay well

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that's good and then following that that

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and the reason why we're here at the our

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favorite club down the other streaking

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think tank the thing to be thinking in

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the thing tank look I can see them over

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there is it they're just polishing away

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no I need food Maynard their nose show

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Ben amoud operate you they're having a

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chat at them are very engaged they seem

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very intense may nights got about 14

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screens he's got a three iphones couple

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that a couple of the moment yeah yeah

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he's just east geographies got he's the

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Wi-Fi go he's where these are withered

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guy he's switched on I think we should

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settle back with a drink listen to the

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first part of the zone and going back

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with it to come back with the the old

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think tank we should it is to be be here

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now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop and so here I am

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on rod Island which is in the middle of

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Sydney Harbor almost to the bottom of

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the harbor in fact just across from like

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art on one side and drew mine on the

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other the island is actually quite small

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what it was when it was initially used

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back in the 1800s and I'm standing

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outside the summerhouse the large summer

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house which from the outside you can

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got a wooden floors it looks like it

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used to be used as a dance hall or

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something similar I'm under a giant fig

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tree and I'm reading a plaque hear about

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the era of recreation that was Rhode

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Island so it was first declared a

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reserve for recreation in eighteen

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island now it's very curious that many

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people who live in Sydney and indeed in

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Australia are not aware that this

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actually inhabited by Adrian lawar who

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was the nephew of Louis Pasteur now the

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wonderful interesting and fascinating

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story of why Adrian lawar came to be in

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Sydney and indeed on rod island is

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detailed in the book by Stephen dando

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Collins called pastors gambit it's a

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fascinating tale I recommend that all

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listeners seek it out if they can it

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actually won a Queensland literary award

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the book with which is an interview with

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richard fidler so if you don't have time

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fascinating so that's why I've bothered

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to come out here today to Rhode Island

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national park and Wildlife Service

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landing fee which gives you a permit to

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harbor and there's nobody here so back

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to what this island used to be used for

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princely sum of twenty-five thousand

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pounds which roughly converts to about

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10 million dollars in today's money as a

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prize for the person who could find a

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advertisement in a Parisian newspaper

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see if he could collect this prize money

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which could then be used to build the

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Pasteur Institute and so his research

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facility which was doing research with

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for public recreation and a trust was

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son of Brett rod now of course this is

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rod island is because a man by the name

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of Brent rod had paid a deposit on this

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place in 1859 and he was the first

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chairperson of the trust and within the

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first year of the trust managing the

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island most of the buildings were

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picnics and social events including

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these gazebos one of which I've been

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having lunch in indy today which faces

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the water and it's um it's a beautiful

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place to be so I'm just walking around

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the eastern side to to read some

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information about the experimentation

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so there's actually a map here on this

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plan of Rhode Island and the lab

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buildings during the Royal Commission on

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rabbit experimentation so this was in

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1888 that these labs were built for

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kitchen a general laboratory with a

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cholera however pastor had already done

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Government and go back to France so he

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could get on with building the Pasteur

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Institute because unsurprisingly he

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wasn't particularly interested in the

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Australian issue with rabbits he was

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really more concerned about snatching

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that money and getting back to Paris to

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do what he wanted to do so after a short

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time of working on Rhode Island pastor

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declared to the New South Wales

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Government that he wasn't going to

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conduct any further experiments and he

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wanted to just take the money and go now

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it's also a bit more complicated than

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that because it turns out that there was

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quite a lot of people that were against

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what he was doing primarily because they

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had a vested interest in the rabbits

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remaining in Australia so this included

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people that were fences so making rabbit

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fences for money people that were

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scalpers so who would catch the rabbits

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and then sell their pelts and people

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that poisoned the rabbits so if a

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biological solution could be

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noun to get rid of the plague all these

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people would be out of money and out of

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a job so they weren't very interested in

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this occurring there was also some

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political unrest at the time that

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eventually resulted in this prize money

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not being awarded to anyone however it

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also says on this plaque and I don't

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recall reading this in Stephen dando

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Collins wonderful book but it says that

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experiments carried out by the rabbit

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Commission revealed that native birds

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were also susceptible to the microbe and

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therefore the Commission rejected

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pastors claim now I guess this doesn't

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sound completely outlandish if we are

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talking about chicken cholera or you

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know if it affects chickens I guess it's

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potentially going to affect other birds

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and but this rejection it says here this

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rejection was a significant decision as

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it indicated the professional

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development of the Australian scientific

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community now apart from this site being

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historically very interesting and I

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think incredibly important and I think

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incredibly underrated interestingly

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enough when i caught a water taxi here

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this morning I came from circular key

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which is the major port for fairies in

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Sydney and as we whizzed out towards

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here the cab driver whose job it is and

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his life it is to ferry people around

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the harbour wasn't even sure which

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island was Rhode Island and didn't know

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the significance of it and also there's

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been some sort of lurid activity that's

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gone on here as well which i think is

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makes the story even more fascinating a

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French actress Sarah Bernhardt who

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toured Australia in 1891 she became

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romantically linked with Adrienne lawar

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pastor's nephew and indeed she used this

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island as quarantine for her dogs as she

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came out here from france by ship and

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she wanted to bring her collection of

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little lap dogs and of course she

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couldn't bring them into Australia

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without them being quarantined and so

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she organized for them to stay here

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whilst they were quarantined for any

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infectious disease

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and according to this plug during her

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stay she visited Rhode Island often and

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held picnics for her friends and there

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are stories of her escapades including

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sarah and other ladies in her group

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climbing onto the roof of the house

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during a game of hide-and-seek so once

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Adrian lawar finished his experiments

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here pastor ordered him back to France

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the island was then converted back to

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recreation in 1894 and now you can hire

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it out for private functions for

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weddings or for just you can just come

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here it's cost me seven dollars to land

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here the only issue is actually getting

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yourself here considering that you need

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to get your own water transport there's

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one final thing I want to mention about

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the pastor story which i think is really

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fascinating and that is the story of

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pasteurization now when Adrian lawar was

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first sent out to Australia by louis

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pasteur as i mentioned pastor wanted him

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to get the money and get the hell back

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to paris but once he landed in Australia

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he realized it was going to be more

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complicated than that and he would need

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some money in order to live on whilst he

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was here so in fact he managed to

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convince the Brewers at Victoria Bitter

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brewery which is one of our most popular

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and highly consumed beers in Australia

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otherwise known as VB that they should

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learn how to pasteurize their beer now

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during this time before sort of

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preservation or pasteurization was

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introduced it was very difficult to

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transport beer across large sections of

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Australia being that at such a big

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country and so that limited the reach of

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Brewers with their beer now vb agreed

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for lawar to teach them how to

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pasteurize they indeed introduced

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pasteurization into the brewery hence

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they were able to spread their beer

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transport their beer far and wide across

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Australia and perhaps this may have

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contributed to the fact that vb it's one

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of the most popular beers today in

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australia

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so I'm incredibly pleased to be out here

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today on this beautiful island in the

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middle of beautiful sydney harbour with

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absolutely nobody else around it's a

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little piece of history in Sydney which

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I think not many people know about I

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encourage you to get out here to my

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right only sort of 200 meters away as a

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rowing club you know if you got yourself

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a robot or a kayak you can come over

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here as long as you pay your seven

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dollars landing fee to the National

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Parks and Wildlife Service I think we're

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incredibly lucky that this is public

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access and not owned by some millionaire

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that means we can't get on here and I

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think it's a shame that more people

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don't know about what happened here and

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the importance of the science that went

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on here and that's it for now I'm going

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back to enjoy the island and to take

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some photos this is dr. Richie in the

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middle of sydney harbour and I'll talk

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dr. Rachel Dunlop is one of Australia's

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foremost media commentators in matters

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concerning so-called alternative

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medicine she has appeared on national

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radio and national television dr. H E is

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available for interviews and you can

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contact her at Rachel at skeptic zone

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dot TV hi this is kerri papi i am ross

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Fletcher okay Ross hey we're from a

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show up so you don't have to so find out

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in RAC oh oh no Ross and Carrie that's

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hello skeptic zone listeners this year

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fellows own fan and high school biology

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and earth science teacher Erin Kelley

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Stephens here I'm coming to you from the

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beautiful and warm Central Valley town

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of Woodland California recently came to

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my attention through an email from the

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California Science Teachers Association

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that the california governor has

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proposed to cut the current high school

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graduation requirement from the already

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meager two years of science to only one

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year of science needless to say as a

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science teacher i find this proposal

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troubling if implemented will this lead

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to loss science education positions a

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bigger education gap between poor and

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wealthy schools less and less California

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students qualifying for and going into

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science and engineering fields I just

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don't know but I'm worried and trying to

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bring light to this issue Richard

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Saunders has graciously set aside some

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time to discuss this on the skeptic zone

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recently asked some of my colleagues

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what they think about the situation I'd

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begin with an informal conversation

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between myself and my good friend and

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colleague Kevin English followed by a

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and what's crazy is with California

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being such a hub for science and

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technology especially the Bay Area it

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seems insane to reduce the amount of

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science required by students if we want

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to maintain our status as sort of a

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leader when it comes to science and

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technology we love science and

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technology but we're not going to

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produce any students that do science

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technology won't bring them in from

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somewhere else yeah let some other

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country deal with them or other some

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other state educate them and then we'll

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take them in hire a mirror that doesn't

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make any sense at all it's not the art

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programs throughout the music programs

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and you might as well toss science with

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it and every kid we produced will be

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able to read write and do math I don't

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think so I don't think it works that way

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you're reading your writing your math is

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not going to be as advanced if you don't

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have all of the other topics to go along

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with it I'm in fact I think music should

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be mandatory starting an elementary

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school all the way through graduating

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high school it should be a part of the

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program music and art should be part of

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every kid's experience all the way

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through high school because that ties in

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I mean you just look at all the

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statistics kids who play an instrument

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do better in math and science and the

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English and all their other subjects

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yeah kids are going to come out of

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school they don't know how to reason and

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think critically like you said they

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can't take information in reason with it

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and come to their own conclusions they

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need the conclusions spoon fed to them

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right now the way things are done and

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take one more your way that's crazy

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other thing is I just thought of is that

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PE physical education which is really

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just kids going on and playing on the

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field and doing some different sports

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and its physical activity which is great

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yeah what is a two-year requirement

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science would become less a requirement

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to physical education yes we have an

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obesity problem in this country but I

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don't that obesity problem I think comes

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from a much deeper problem yeah and it's

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not not getting PE it's not yes not

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being addressed by the two years of PE

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in high school certainly i mean the the

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kids who don't want to participate in PE

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they just don't participate my name is

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Lloyd Chan I teach it will see with high

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school and I've been asked the question

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about

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reducing the amount of science required

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for graduation personally I don't think

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it benefits the state because if you

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want to maintain some sort of scientific

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literacy and a technological base for

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the California economy you should be

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asking them take more science rather

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than less what do you think this will go

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through the possibility because it will

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save money and say yeah it saves money

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it just might make it through them yes

545
00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:35,749
but it will hurt the economy in the long

546
00:23:40,239 --> 00:23:37,460
run because then what will happen is

547
00:23:42,969 --> 00:23:40,249
that we will not have scientifically you

548
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:42,979
live well aware or literate individuals

549
00:23:46,629 --> 00:23:44,809
which means we will have to import our

550
00:23:48,609 --> 00:23:46,639
talent it seems like we're doing a lot

551
00:23:50,649 --> 00:23:48,619
of that in a state already at the upper

552
00:23:54,249 --> 00:23:50,659
levels in our UC system wouldn't you say

553
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,259
ah they're also in the Silicon Valley

554
00:23:59,680 --> 00:23:57,200
yeah a lot of your top engineers are now

555
00:24:02,440 --> 00:23:59,690
recruited from overseas because we don't

556
00:24:03,969 --> 00:24:02,450
have enough local talent to do it this

557
00:24:05,769 --> 00:24:03,979
happens we may not have any local town

558
00:24:08,830 --> 00:24:05,779
well thank you very much for your

559
00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:08,840
comments I'm Michaela wall and I teach

560
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:10,460
chemistry although I've also taught

561
00:24:14,379 --> 00:24:12,529
earth science and biology and life

562
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:14,389
science in high school as far as

563
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:16,369
reducing the requirements I think it's

564
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,460
terrible idea science is a way for that

565
00:24:22,509 --> 00:24:20,960
we teach our kids how to look at the

566
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:22,519
world and how to think about problems

567
00:24:26,619 --> 00:24:25,369
it's not just a matter of learning the

568
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:26,629
science it's actually a matter of

569
00:24:31,629 --> 00:24:28,609
learning how to think about things and

570
00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:31,639
so by reducing it to one year the fact

571
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:33,590
that they only need one year of common

572
00:24:39,219 --> 00:24:36,769
sense training actually is it's just

573
00:24:40,989 --> 00:24:39,229
it's a horrible horrible idea I mean

574
00:24:44,499 --> 00:24:40,999
they only had to take two years to begin

575
00:24:46,509 --> 00:24:44,509
with and reducing it to one is it's it's

576
00:24:49,539 --> 00:24:46,519
going to do it really big disservice to

577
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:49,549
a huge number of our students does take

578
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:50,690
a little training I'm Zack Braun

579
00:24:56,580 --> 00:24:54,080
engineer and possibly future teacher as

580
00:24:58,389 --> 00:24:56,590
a society we just can't continue to

581
00:25:00,210 --> 00:24:58,399
lament the fact that we don't have

582
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:00,220
enough trained technicians and

583
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:02,450
specialists essentially in the fields of

584
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:04,609
science and engineering and we can't

585
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:06,169
have that attitude and then continue to

586
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:09,710
can cut back the requirements for high

587
00:25:13,149 --> 00:25:11,450
school level science it's that those

588
00:25:15,969 --> 00:25:13,159
basic building blocks that essentially

589
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:15,979
lead you to develop that enthusiasm for

590
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:18,169
technical skills later in life and if

591
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:19,849
you're not getting that in the formative

592
00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:21,240
years of high school

593
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:23,190
you kind of put yourself up a creek

594
00:25:27,260 --> 00:25:25,140
without a paddle so we whine about our

595
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:27,270
poorly trained workforce but then we cut

596
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,740
back their training precisely right at

597
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:30,000
the time when you need to get kids

598
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:31,710
interested in science to go and pursue

599
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:33,210
those technical degrees what they'd be

600
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:35,640
just trade or you know doctorate level

601
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:38,850
kind of research it all starts in high

602
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,190
school science classes and if the bare

603
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:43,080
minimum requirement is well if there's

604
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:43,980
one thing that we've learned as a

605
00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:45,690
society we're kind of lazy by nature and

606
00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:48,030
we can escape by that bare minimum level

607
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:49,950
yeah oh yeah no matter how low you set

608
00:25:56,420 --> 00:25:51,330
the bar they're going to limbo under it

609
00:26:00,170 --> 00:25:56,430
right exactly right well thank you very

610
00:26:02,180 --> 00:26:00,180
much well my name is Mike Humphries and

611
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:02,190
before I start let me give you a little

612
00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:04,530
background where I'm coming from I

613
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:07,350
graduated from Berkeley out of my degree

614
00:26:14,540 --> 00:26:12,270
in political science I was ROTC guy so I

615
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:14,550
had eight years of active duty 12 years

616
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:17,790
of reserves I've taught both elementary

617
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:21,030
school middle school high school and

618
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:23,100
college I've taught three years at the

619
00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:26,700
college level and to believe that the

620
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:28,920
governor of the state of California will

621
00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:32,760
reduce science in the world that we're

622
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,420
living in seems a short-sighted view to

623
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:38,820
save money the bottom line here is these

624
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:40,620
kids need this to compete in a global

625
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,510
economy and there is no way that

626
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:47,760
decreasing science is good for them you

627
00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:50,760
want to expose your students to a vast

628
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,670
variety of cross the curriculum

629
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,100
information so that when they choose

630
00:27:00,380 --> 00:26:58,080
their occupation they're doing it with a

631
00:27:02,270 --> 00:27:00,390
good insight they're not waiting to

632
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:02,280
college and taking more and more years

633
00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:04,950
to accomplish this we're shooting

634
00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:07,670
ourselves in the foot the bottom line is

635
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:11,580
we should not be doing this about you

636
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:14,370
sir oh I med Murphy also on the social

637
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:16,020
science department that I also have an

638
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:18,030
interesting background 21 years in the

639
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:20,850
military got a bachelor's degree couple

640
00:27:24,170 --> 00:27:22,290
of master's degrees and a doctor's

641
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:24,180
degree and I think it's ridiculous that

642
00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:25,770
we decrease the requirements for science

643
00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:28,190
or any course just to save money because

644
00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:30,180
essentially in the global marketplace

645
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:32,040
today kids need science we're already

646
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,770
behind the rest of the nation's

647
00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:36,320
around the world how can we compete in

648
00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:38,360
the global economy without having good

649
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:40,760
standards and two years of sciences my

650
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:43,010
opinion and requirement yeah as a

651
00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:44,330
science teacher of course I'd like it to

652
00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:46,670
be more but yeah the bare minimum of two

653
00:27:51,610 --> 00:27:49,190
seems at least something I agree with

654
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:51,620
you a hundred percent so I'm speaking

655
00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:52,910
here with my colleague and good friend

656
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:55,070
Kevin English who teaches earth science

657
00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:56,270
and next year will be teaching biology

658
00:28:00,550 --> 00:27:58,100
as well what do you think about this

659
00:28:03,130 --> 00:28:00,560
proposal to eliminate one of the two

660
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:03,140
years of required science to graduate

661
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:05,690
from California high school I think it's

662
00:28:08,890 --> 00:28:07,370
a step in the complete opposite

663
00:28:10,570 --> 00:28:08,900
direction we should be going instead of

664
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,580
science being a two-year requirement as

665
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:12,080
it is now I think we should be heading

666
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:13,250
in the other direction making it at

667
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:15,260
least a three year requirement I'd love

668
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:16,730
to see four year requirement but that's

669
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:19,010
probably not as realistic going to one

670
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:21,710
year just seems crazy it means our

671
00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:22,910
students coming out of high school are

672
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:26,060
going to be at a disadvantage trying to

673
00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:28,010
compete for jobs that are in the science

674
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:29,870
and technology areas which is an area

675
00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:32,450
where we're already struggling so to

676
00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:34,220
suggest although or put all this

677
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:36,950
emphasis on the math English language

678
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:39,050
arts and to skip the other subjects like

679
00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:43,250
science social sciences arts music all

680
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:45,680
of those i think is definitely a step in

681
00:28:50,050 --> 00:28:47,090
the wrong direction our students are

682
00:28:52,210 --> 00:28:50,060
going to be one sided the science

683
00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:52,220
provides an opportunity for these kids

684
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:54,590
to learn critical thinking they have to

685
00:28:58,090 --> 00:28:56,510
be given problems reason with those

686
00:29:02,550 --> 00:28:58,100
problems and come to their own

687
00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:02,560
conclusions where a lot of subjects

688
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:04,760
spoon-feed the answers to the kids and

689
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:06,410
in our science we're really trying to

690
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:08,030
get kids to think for themselves and

691
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:09,530
that's an important skill that

692
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,590
translates into everything they do so I

693
00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:14,240
think it'd be fair to say you're against

694
00:29:20,620 --> 00:29:16,820
it absolutely against it right thank you

695
00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:20,630
can hear in the will c wood library

696
00:29:25,270 --> 00:29:22,940
speaking to my good friend Shelly's

697
00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:25,280
librarian and she's going to give her

698
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:26,900
response to what she thinks about

699
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:29,810
reducing california's standards from two

700
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,980
years of science to just one year I

701
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:35,600
don't think that it's the correct thing

702
00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:39,470
to do I think two years of science is a

703
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:43,100
good base for the kids to start for when

704
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:45,740
they're going into college or whatever

705
00:29:50,049 --> 00:29:47,210
else they pursue

706
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:50,059
one year is barely getting the

707
00:29:54,669 --> 00:29:52,330
terminology in the basics down and

708
00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:54,679
depending on which way they go whether

709
00:30:02,049 --> 00:29:58,190
it's biology or chemistry there so

710
00:30:04,419 --> 00:30:02,059
totally different that you need to be

711
00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:04,429
able to touch on more things in the

712
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:06,590
sciences and that science has a lot to

713
00:30:10,659 --> 00:30:08,990
do with other things in our world and I

714
00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:10,669
think they need more science background

715
00:30:14,289 --> 00:30:12,860
I like your point about the terminology

716
00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:14,299
I hadn't thought of that aspect before

717
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:17,980
it takes a while to learn though use the

718
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:20,570
language the way the way you would in

719
00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:22,250
science where you don't use it the same

720
00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:24,020
in everyday language and it takes a

721
00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:25,309
while it takes training you're right

722
00:30:29,019 --> 00:30:27,500
yeah I didn't thought of that yeah yeah

723
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:29,029
and a lot of it you know then they find

724
00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:31,610
out that it comes from you know that

725
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:33,740
different routes and things with your

726
00:30:38,919 --> 00:30:36,520
words and stuff you know yeah exactly

727
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,929
you know and they start learning that

728
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:41,120
and then they understand with other

729
00:30:47,289 --> 00:30:44,090
words to not even in science like x 0 x

730
00:30:49,210 --> 00:30:47,299
+ 2 and things like that so it helps

731
00:30:51,010 --> 00:30:49,220
them to decipher what other words mean

732
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:51,020
to once they start learning that like

733
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:53,390
Tara for territory in terrestrial things

734
00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:55,730
of that sort exactly you know so it

735
00:30:59,980 --> 00:30:57,260
helps them with a lot of route you know

736
00:31:04,360 --> 00:30:59,990
root words and stuff too so I think

737
00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:04,370
science is very important and I really

738
00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:06,409
hope that it doesn't come down to where

739
00:31:11,169 --> 00:31:08,659
they only have one year I think more

740
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,179
years is very important thank you very

741
00:31:16,029 --> 00:31:14,240
much so I'm here with my good buddy Tom

742
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:16,039
dougherty probably the most entertaining

743
00:31:19,659 --> 00:31:17,570
teacher here on campus he teaches our

744
00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:19,669
auto shop and here's what I want to talk

745
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:21,500
to you about Tom the Governor of

746
00:31:25,539 --> 00:31:23,630
California has proposed to reduce the

747
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:25,549
requirement for graduation from two

748
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:27,860
years of science to one year of science

749
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:29,809
what are your what are your feelings on

750
00:31:39,130 --> 00:31:36,950
this top my feelings on this are that it

751
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:39,140
would degrade the quality of student

752
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:42,049
that we have entering the workforce by

753
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:43,130
the way you can use your own vernacular

754
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:44,250
if you want

755
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:49,440
and um and it would make the I think it

756
00:31:54,650 --> 00:31:51,210
would lower the pride in craftsmanship

757
00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:54,660
that students saw that some students

758
00:32:00,620 --> 00:31:58,590
enjoy and I think that the state of

759
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:00,630
California is pretty much based on

760
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,210
science and technology so I think it

761
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:06,000
would be going the wrong way on the flip

762
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:07,290
side of that coin I think that

763
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:09,330
automotive technology should be a

764
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:11,970
science I agree i think that should be a

765
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:13,770
requirement you should be able to find

766
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,380
your gas tank and things less work yeah

767
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,960
well no I think I think automotive

768
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:20,700
technology should fill a science

769
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,250
requirement not an art requirement they

770
00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:25,860
fulfills an art requirement correct well

771
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:28,350
that seems quite bizarre I'm learning

772
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:31,110
all kinds of stuff yet but we should i

773
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:33,090
don't know maybe paint smiley faces on

774
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:37,290
the course so no if I had any sway in

775
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:39,450
this matter I would definitely drive to

776
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:42,270
the governor's house and give him a

777
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,450
stern talking-to this has been Erin

778
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:50,460
Kelley Stephens reporting for the

779
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:00,480
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780
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:02,370
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781
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782
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783
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784
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:17,280
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785
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786
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:36,340
join us now for drinking skeptically in

787
00:33:48,669 --> 00:33:44,200
the think tank I don't want to go there

788
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:48,679
was an evil laugh gentlemen I don't do

789
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:51,110
evil no you don't you're far too sweet

790
00:33:55,030 --> 00:33:52,970
but it's great to see you here in the

791
00:33:56,770 --> 00:33:55,040
think tank along with dr. HC hi dr.

792
00:33:59,410 --> 00:33:56,780
Reggie fresh from your adventure to

793
00:34:00,730 --> 00:33:59,420
Rhode Island yeah I hope mrs. enjoyed

794
00:34:02,890 --> 00:34:00,740
that report I think it's really

795
00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:02,900
fascinating place and so few people know

796
00:34:08,169 --> 00:34:04,940
about it so people should go there and

797
00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:08,179
just enjoy it Rhode Island folks Maynard

798
00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:10,220
may not with your multiple computers

799
00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:12,440
yeah how's this for a bit of a bit of an

800
00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:27,779
Radio how's that hey that's exciting its

801
00:34:31,889 --> 00:34:29,409
mate that's made your pants sit up and

802
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:31,899
take notice it has may not the walking

803
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:34,149
sound effects and an interesting clips

804
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:36,220
man that's right if you can't do it get

805
00:34:42,930 --> 00:34:40,200
in effect I always say it's good to see

806
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:42,940
Stephens like a hi Stefan are that that

807
00:34:48,089 --> 00:34:45,450
clip just made me wet my pants and I'm

808
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:48,099
fresh from 40 minutes ago just doing an

809
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:52,030
intro was it was awesome thank you for

810
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,569
the tank as well well what a week it's

811
00:35:01,520 --> 00:34:58,240
been will swing over here to dr. AG

812
00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:01,530
who's studying her iPad with greater in

813
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:04,660
intensity dr. Reggie what do you have

814
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:08,170
for us in the think tank this week so

815
00:35:14,309 --> 00:35:11,140
there's been some developments recently

816
00:35:16,819 --> 00:35:14,319
with respect to a anti-vaccine in this

817
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:16,829
country who's not Meryl dory this time

818
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:20,950
she's I guess Meryl dory in waiting as

819
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:23,220
some people seem to call her earlier

820
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:26,680
well that's what some people say she's

821
00:35:32,549 --> 00:35:29,650
actually doing a PhD at a university

822
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:32,559
here in Australia which she's been doing

823
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:35,230
for now I think about eight years her

824
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:37,210
name's Judy Wiley minh and she's

825
00:35:42,059 --> 00:35:38,650
previously worked as a science teacher

826
00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:42,069
for 20 years then did a masters of I

827
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:43,869
think public health or environmental

828
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:47,770
health and she famously worked under

829
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:53,470
Peter Dingle in wa now listeners might

830
00:36:00,809 --> 00:35:57,250
recall dr. Peter Dingle he has a PhD in

831
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:00,819
environmental toxicology I think and he

832
00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:03,430
became well known to people because his

833
00:36:09,539 --> 00:36:06,220
wife died of colon cancer untreated

834
00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:09,549
colon cancer because she was treated by

835
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:12,760
a homeopath now that was a huge case in

836
00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:14,529
Australia because it went to the coroner

837
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:16,660
and we've talked about the coroner's

838
00:36:21,299 --> 00:36:18,760
report before and how awful that was I

839
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:21,309
mean Joe can attest to how awful that

840
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:24,970
was and so Judy who was being supervised

841
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,770
by him for her PhD moved to the

842
00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:28,240
University of Wollongong which is in

843
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:29,420
Australia

844
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:32,430
anyway recently she made some statements

845
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:34,710
in a letter she wrote to the

846
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:36,570
commissioner for human rights in

847
00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:40,110
australia now judy has a habit of

848
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:43,470
writing long letters to people when she

849
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:45,990
doesn't like what they say or writing

850
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,450
them to whoever she thinks as an

851
00:36:52,580 --> 00:36:50,510
authority that can get something done

852
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:52,590
she wrote to the departure the

853
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:53,850
commissioner for human rights in

854
00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:55,290
Australia saying it's the human rights

855
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:57,750
of parents to not have to vaccinate

856
00:37:01,070 --> 00:36:59,220
their children lauded out of that you

857
00:37:03,830 --> 00:37:01,080
know the sort of canals were used to

858
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:03,840
from the anti-vaxxers but one thing that

859
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:07,440
she particularly said which made a few

860
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:10,050
of us pretty upset and angry was she

861
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:12,570
inferred that the McCaffrey's the

862
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:15,570
parents whose child passed away from

863
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:17,730
pertussis about four years ago were

864
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,480
shields of either big farmer or

865
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,400
Australian skeptics that's that's

866
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,400
something that really is that a yeah

867
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:28,920
Australian skeptics have been Stefan

868
00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:31,110
just filled briefly Australian skeptics

869
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:33,150
have been accused of basically paying

870
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:35,400
off people to promote big pharma he

871
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:39,720
finally we had the money now this wasn't

872
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:42,900
a sort of probably a 700 word plus

873
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:45,390
letter it was a very very start of it

874
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:49,320
but it was pretty pretty nasty and it in

875
00:37:54,490 --> 00:37:51,900
fact resulted in David McCaffrey having

876
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:54,500
to once again write a public statement

877
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:58,410
saying please leave our family alone you

878
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:00,300
can have your soap boxes you can have

879
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:01,890
your lobby groups do whatever the hell

880
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:04,440
you like but stop harassing my family in

881
00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:09,320
the public eye anyway this then became

882
00:38:15,590 --> 00:38:12,630
escalated by an academic who's also at

883
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:15,600
the same University who decided to take

884
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:18,300
it further because the university didn't

885
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:19,830
seem particularly interested in fact

886
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:22,500
they issued a statement basically saying

887
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:25,140
that whatever Judy Wiley man says is her

888
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:27,090
own views academic freedom rah rah rah

889
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:29,160
and you know it's not the views of the

890
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:31,710
uni now it might have stopped there

891
00:38:35,470 --> 00:38:34,680
except that a journalist for the local

892
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:35,480
paper in

893
00:38:41,050 --> 00:38:38,090
area picked it up and it ended up being

894
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:41,060
front-page news on monday the the

895
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:44,990
Illawarra mercury and if people how can

896
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:47,000
people i get a look at that front page

897
00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:48,950
dr. hu i know was doing around and

898
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:51,500
twisted on the stop the avian page right

899
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:54,410
on facebook so the front page i think

900
00:38:59,890 --> 00:38:57,200
said whooping cough trail over uow

901
00:39:02,230 --> 00:38:59,900
researcher and then inside there was a

902
00:39:05,890 --> 00:39:02,240
double-page spread with the headline

903
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:05,900
grieving parents lam research on and

904
00:39:10,210 --> 00:39:08,330
there was a story about how Judy had

905
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:10,220
written this letter and there were

906
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:12,410
excerpts from what David McCaffrey then

907
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:13,970
wrote on Facebook saying leave us alone

908
00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:17,810
oh no disaster isn't it pretty much yeah

909
00:39:23,290 --> 00:39:20,390
and there were also comments from the

910
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:23,300
senior academic at uow who decided to

911
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:25,490
escalate it saying because in fact he

912
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:28,310
took it to the ethics people at uow and

913
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:29,990
they so look it's nothing to do with us

914
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:34,340
because she's not she hasn't applied for

915
00:39:38,590 --> 00:39:36,770
ethics for her project therefore we

916
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,600
can't do anything it's out of our hands

917
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,880
sort of thing and he said well that's

918
00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:43,280
not good enough because the ethics of

919
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:45,500
her behavior I mean the the other senior

920
00:39:49,150 --> 00:39:47,450
researcher then went to other departs of

921
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:49,160
the Uni to say look no you guys you've

922
00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:52,070
got to do something about this so there

923
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:54,140
were there was front-page news and then

924
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,400
there was a double-page spread and the

925
00:40:00,849 --> 00:39:57,280
following day there was an article

926
00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:00,859
interviewing a local GP saying that the

927
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:03,350
anti-vaccine message is wrong and saying

928
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:05,450
you know whooping cough vaccination is

929
00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:08,570
very important so she got slammed so to

930
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:11,960
say today oh yes what I haven't seen the

931
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:14,960
latest please tell me in stop digging a

932
00:40:19,330 --> 00:40:17,390
hole of you know take your foot you know

933
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:19,340
how we say that some people only open

934
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:20,990
their mouth to change their feet yes sir

935
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:23,030
right so today

936
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:26,930
she wrote an open letter to the dean of

937
00:40:34,090 --> 00:40:30,770
research at uow but she sent it to the

938
00:40:36,370 --> 00:40:34,100
Illawarra mercury ah as you do and said

939
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:36,380
this is an official complaint against

940
00:40:40,930 --> 00:40:38,810
his other academic at the university who

941
00:40:43,420 --> 00:40:40,940
said these things about me sent it to

942
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:43,430
the newspaper so of course the

943
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:46,310
journalist sent to me to ask for comment

944
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:48,050
but and the reason they asked me to

945
00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:52,160
comment is because I don't know if you

946
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:54,200
remember that we had a complaint made

947
00:40:58,180 --> 00:40:56,090
against us Australian skeptics that is a

948
00:41:00,760 --> 00:40:58,190
number of years ago by a chiropractor by

949
00:41:03,010 --> 00:41:00,770
the name of Joey rano number Vizier yes

950
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:03,020
you know if if people want to read the

951
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:05,030
epic takedown of that please google

952
00:41:09,790 --> 00:41:07,580
Australian skeptics Joey rano where Iran

953
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:09,800
did a beautiful evisceration of this

954
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:11,480
guy's complaint and it was thrown out of

955
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:13,610
the H trouble scene and laughed at by

956
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:16,910
everybody this apparent official

957
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:20,720
complaint is on a par with that it

958
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:22,490
starts off saying I want to make an

959
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,220
official complaint and then it says

960
00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:26,240
skeptics have been mean to me on the

961
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:29,120
internets and my google machines found

962
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:31,130
found that they called me mean names and

963
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:34,850
I think and I think that they're being

964
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,820
paid by somebody and let me just read

965
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:40,640
you a little bit of it please do here's

966
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:42,590
the connection guys to the conspiracy

967
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:44,930
right so the the researcher at UIW

968
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:47,660
that's complained about her now he's

969
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:50,290
apparently a subscriber to our magazine

970
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:53,060
and we're a lobby group that's funded

971
00:41:58,030 --> 00:41:55,610
that funded ken MacLeod who made a

972
00:42:01,540 --> 00:41:58,040
complaint about the ABN to the H Triple

973
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:01,550
C we also go to price the McCaffrey's

974
00:42:06,910 --> 00:42:04,310
for their public advocacy for promoting

975
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:06,920
vaccination three years ago syndrome and

976
00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:08,630
it was it was a well

977
00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:11,960
deserve to pricing yes so if it were for

978
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:17,900
met the French colonies yeah now also

979
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:20,390
she's done she's been doing her PhD for

980
00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:24,560
eight years unpaid and she we have

981
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:27,320
smeared her on the internet please

982
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:29,090
google my name to find the ridicule and

983
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:31,730
misinterpretation of my statements stop

984
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:33,770
being so mean to me I think I'm going to

985
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:36,650
quit my PhD but you should clear that's

986
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:39,710
what it says a good summary now that's

987
00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:42,650
wrong how you actually I think their

988
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:45,830
lesson from what she did today is just

989
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,430
shut up really shut up because all this

990
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:51,280
is doing is making her look like a fool

991
00:42:55,450 --> 00:42:53,690
as a result of this there's going to be

992
00:42:57,970 --> 00:42:55,460
more articles in the Illawarra mercury

993
00:42:59,500 --> 00:42:57,980
over the next few days because if

994
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:59,510
there's one thing we've learned over the

995
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:01,220
years hopefully there's more than one

996
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:04,250
thing but the likes of Merrill Dorian &

997
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:08,240
Co can't shut up yeah they have to

998
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:09,530
release statements they have to make

999
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:13,280
comments you know of other examples of

1000
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:15,230
where academics have been taken to task

1001
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:17,720
for expressing views which do bring the

1002
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:20,330
unies into disrepute or have potential

1003
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,280
to and the only example I could remember

1004
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:25,280
off hand was of Professor Andrew Fraser

1005
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:28,070
from Macquarie uni who run there was a

1006
00:43:32,350 --> 00:43:29,480
lot of controversy over some of his

1007
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:32,360
views a number of years back where he

1008
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:34,610
made some here I think he wrote a letter

1009
00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:36,530
to one of the newspapers which he signed

1010
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:39,620
with his academic title and his views

1011
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:42,110
were seen to be extremely racist and

1012
00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:43,310
potentially associated with white

1013
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:45,740
supremacy and initially the University

1014
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:49,310
spoke out saying that you know this was

1015
00:43:52,210 --> 00:43:50,870
basically acted freedom they couldn't do

1016
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:52,220
anything about it but eventually there

1017
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,540
was so much controversy and it was

1018
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:54,560
actually really causing a lot of

1019
00:43:59,980 --> 00:43:56,270
problems at the University that they did

1020
00:44:01,960 --> 00:43:59,990
actually I think suspend him but you

1021
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:01,970
know I think I sort of feel like we're

1022
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:04,790
in this sort of this age where there's

1023
00:44:15,010 --> 00:44:11,330
this defense of of unacceptable behavior

1024
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:15,020
or yeah what I'm start again I think

1025
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:17,000
Sarge I think I know what you're trying

1026
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:18,950
to say is people are too scared to shut

1027
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:22,430
other people up for fear of yes handing

1028
00:44:26,050 --> 00:44:24,290
them more trading on their rights or

1029
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:26,060
they've got every right to say that etc

1030
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:27,770
etc at what point do you draw a line in

1031
00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:31,370
sand and say this has gone beyond what

1032
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:33,320
is acceptable and and this behavior is

1033
00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:35,030
not what we want of a professional

1034
00:44:40,030 --> 00:44:38,630
person in a professional can I just tell

1035
00:44:41,530 --> 00:44:40,040
you one of the things like oh I read

1036
00:44:43,090 --> 00:44:41,540
through this nonsense and I was laughing

1037
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:43,100
for a bit and then I read it again on

1038
00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:44,420
our facepalmed and then I read it again

1039
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:46,760
and there's a section where she says

1040
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,670
because we paid the McCaffrey's a prize

1041
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:51,440
we being the technique it one person

1042
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:52,910
scaredy scaredy McCaffrey surprise which

1043
00:44:57,340 --> 00:44:55,070
by the way they donated to pertussis

1044
00:45:00,460 --> 00:44:57,350
research by the way which they've

1045
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,470
declared publicly that encourages them

1046
00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:03,200
to go out and advocate for vaccines so

1047
00:45:08,020 --> 00:45:05,780
what would happen if an anti vax

1048
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:08,030
personal parent whose child was injured

1049
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:11,090
by vaccine got paid then they just opens

1050
00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:12,650
the floodgates for them to go out and

1051
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:16,460
say how bad vaccines are now can I ask

1052
00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:18,380
you a question does anyone know anyone

1053
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:21,980
like that merrell dory how much money

1054
00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:25,190
does she make all in 2010 280 thousand

1055
00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:27,830
dollars and she goes out and preaches

1056
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,590
about how bad vaccines are Judy wrote

1057
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:33,440
that down in a letter to the chance

1058
00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:36,050
vice-chancellor of research she's

1059
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:38,120
talking about her friend I don't I don't

1060
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:40,070
know if she doesn't know what she's

1061
00:45:44,110 --> 00:45:42,050
writing if she doesn't understand what

1062
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:44,120
she's writing maynard you're hanging out

1063
00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:46,490
with evil skeptics I thought maybe the

1064
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:49,630
PhD stands for pretty hard drawing I

1065
00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:52,010
know um but this is my these

1066
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,420
intellectual arguments that I don't get

1067
00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:54,800
into because if I say something other

1068
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,180
side wins automatically so I'm going to

1069
00:46:01,090 --> 00:45:57,920
do I'm gonna have a big glass of shut up

1070
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:01,100
juice here oh can I go into breaking

1071
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,609
news for the band

1072
00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:04,319
breaking news my dad's breaking news

1073
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:06,150
from the boundaries of science mouse

1074
00:46:15,999 --> 00:46:09,960
grows liver in Japan I think a lot of my

1075
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:16,009
scrub is a mouse grew a liver is Japan

1076
00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:19,230
breaking house with threat breaking news

1077
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:23,670
update I'm sorry I read that again mouse

1078
00:46:31,099 --> 00:46:28,230
gross human liver in Japan not some

1079
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:31,109
bloody mouth he now oh yeah miss tried

1080
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:33,690
you know well you know went to education

1081
00:46:40,549 --> 00:46:36,930
after high school whatever whatever they

1082
00:46:42,859 --> 00:46:40,559
call that what Michael is the third

1083
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:42,869
level indicator next thing yeah that's

1084
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:45,450
right to hang up my something like

1085
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:46,950
tertiary I just heard on my earbud

1086
00:46:51,769 --> 00:46:48,450
tertiary is already looking for Manor

1087
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:51,779
okay now look there go that's more about

1088
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:53,130
these mouse livers may not know these

1089
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:54,900
human mouth slippers well I guess it

1090
00:47:00,499 --> 00:46:57,710
last Thursday or Friday just after lunch

1091
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:00,509
the Japanese injected some stem cells

1092
00:47:04,489 --> 00:47:02,430
into a mouse and it was able to grow a

1093
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:04,499
human liver to the size of five

1094
00:47:10,759 --> 00:47:07,980
millimeters that's a big human limits

1095
00:47:12,499 --> 00:47:10,769
well i guess i'm sure they celebrated

1096
00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:12,509
but the mouse just had like a Shandy and

1097
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:15,390
some sex secondhand smoke familiar it's

1098
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,920
only a five millimeter long level what

1099
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:18,480
are you gonna do with it but they're

1100
00:47:21,859 --> 00:47:19,890
just saying it could be something for

1101
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:21,869
the future there in the gel our medical

1102
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:26,130
correspondent can you see it can you see

1103
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:27,839
a day we will just turn up and ask for

1104
00:47:32,839 --> 00:47:29,609
one of these at time Iguchi japanese

1105
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:32,849
livers absolutely hmm I mean and why

1106
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:34,170
would you pick a liver first is that

1107
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:35,880
because that's the largest organ in the

1108
00:47:44,989 --> 00:47:42,690
body while fun organ okay right it's one

1109
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:44,999
that needs replacing the most often I've

1110
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,329
been wasting extending but yeah i neva

1111
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:50,460
placing them japanese are known for

1112
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:52,230
their love of beer actually big

1113
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:53,850
Deirdre's i would have relieved

1114
00:47:58,310 --> 00:47:56,970
yes Sakhi yeah so I think that's

1115
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:58,320
exciting news that's about all relevant

1116
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:01,800
stuff I had I see but this week Maynard

1117
00:48:05,090 --> 00:48:03,510
we're not playing what's in your bag me

1118
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:05,100
no we're not playing once in a bagless

1119
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:07,050
time it's a computer bag unfortunate but

1120
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:08,310
I do have some shoutouts while the

1121
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:09,990
show's been going on why had to tape

1122
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:12,300
here we've got a shout out from Tom

1123
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:14,610
croucher one of these skeptic bros wa

1124
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:16,830
placebo barons hey Tom he says hello to

1125
00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:19,530
us and also Shelly Stockton she actually

1126
00:48:22,850 --> 00:48:21,660
poses this question which is it's a

1127
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:22,860
question without notice which I'm

1128
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:25,770
putting through the committee um Shelly

1129
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,330
rights to us on our Facebook page yeah

1130
00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:28,800
dude he just believed his Facebook page

1131
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:30,390
by the way of sure anecdotal evidence

1132
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,390
suggests that the rate of bow ties among

1133
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:34,800
amongst medical practitioners is much

1134
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,910
higher than amongst the general

1135
00:48:40,070 --> 00:48:37,740
population have there been any studies

1136
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:40,080
to confirm this now Joe your diet or

1137
00:48:45,830 --> 00:48:41,850
your you're the next best thing to a

1138
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:45,840
doctor nurse well doctor who wears a bow

1139
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,570
tie that's right and why doesn't he ever

1140
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:51,150
have an actual nurse with him I have to

1141
00:48:54,830 --> 00:48:53,250
say I think that anecdotally that is

1142
00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:54,840
absolutely true because the only people

1143
00:48:58,850 --> 00:48:56,940
I ever see wearing bow ties these days

1144
00:49:01,220 --> 00:48:58,860
not not necessarily any doctor but

1145
00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:01,230
physicians yeah and it and even better

1146
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:05,100
on a bicycle wouldn't it be one of the

1147
00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:07,110
no H&S public liability thing is if you

1148
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:08,430
wear a tie in your doctor you could

1149
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,230
easily get the tie sort of said I was

1150
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,760
just to keep your doing some surgery or

1151
00:49:15,590 --> 00:49:14,160
something yeah this year and you know

1152
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:15,600
the doctors ties actually a major

1153
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:21,000
infection control issues especially if

1154
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:25,200
they dribble Aberdeen oh yeah also the

1155
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:27,570
bow tie a bow tie you know fix the

1156
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:29,910
problem they look rather dapper so yeah

1157
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:32,010
I think I was at Sydney any today and

1158
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:33,810
there were a few academics wearing bow

1159
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:36,960
ties and I know a neurologist who just

1160
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:39,180
want to was given an award of Australia

1161
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:42,850
yes on Monday who is constantly always

1162
00:49:47,550 --> 00:49:45,880
yeah i mean i don't know the places you

1163
00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:47,560
Kapus me but now I'd like to show

1164
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,590
avenues we explore with your yeah well

1165
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:52,240
I'd like to thank Shelley Stockton of

1166
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:54,010
the dirtiest believe his facebook page

1167
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:55,330
for bringing that one into US and

1168
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,890
completely diverting our conversation

1169
00:50:02,880 --> 00:49:59,680
away of male intended path do they also

1170
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:02,890
wear pocket watches as well why are more

1171
00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:04,330
I more on the end of the pocket watch

1172
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:06,520
era and here's a quick quiz for those

1173
00:50:11,460 --> 00:50:09,310
fans of carrion movies what what was

1174
00:50:12,750 --> 00:50:11,470
what type of flower was it that was in

1175
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:12,760
the rectum at the end of the movie

1176
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:23,400
the movie and I know that and you know

1177
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:27,370
who the f doors howdy Jake no lying on

1178
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:31,750
the bed no Kenneth an old English actor

1179
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:34,440
don't worry folks Google carry on no no

1180
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:37,840
flare up bout something like that Google

1181
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:39,430
whatever you like listen this earlier

1182
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:43,450
step and step and you have been as you

1183
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:44,950
mentioned quite a few weeks ago in the

1184
00:50:49,050 --> 00:50:46,990
skeptic zone you were sent a book yeah

1185
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:49,060
almost about a year ago this is one of

1186
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,620
the problems of coming here not often

1187
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,960
enough yes a few months ago I mentioned

1188
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:54,640
this book that I was given a cup two

1189
00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:56,770
copies I'm actually for Android Carruth

1190
00:51:02,400 --> 00:50:59,230
a book called the Christ conundrum the

1191
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:02,410
skeptics guide to Jesus and I as it

1192
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,910
happens six months later I still haven't

1193
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:05,440
finished reading it because I just live

1194
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:06,940
that sort of busy kind of life however

1195
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:08,710
if he is an excellent read so far and

1196
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:10,510
it's all about the historical context of

1197
00:51:15,390 --> 00:51:13,630
Jesus and how it all are sort of some of

1198
00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:15,400
them maybe some of the historical

1199
00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:17,350
mistakes may be made and people starting

1200
00:51:19,890 --> 00:51:18,460
to believe things that maybe they

1201
00:51:21,450 --> 00:51:19,900
shouldn't if they only looked at it more

1202
00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:21,460
skeptically interesting and that's

1203
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:22,870
autographed I know and it's autographed

1204
00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:25,510
and so they gave me two copies one to

1205
00:51:30,090 --> 00:51:27,700
read myself and dog ear and you know

1206
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:30,100
drop in the bathroom yeah in the sink

1207
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:31,690
and everything but the other one is in

1208
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:33,610
perfect pristine condition is and we're

1209
00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:36,550
going to give it away if we're actually

1210
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:39,430
looking for people to write a limerick a

1211
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:43,570
religious limerick a biblical Christian

1212
00:51:48,340 --> 00:51:46,510
anything a limerick around the theme of

1213
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:48,350
religion or Christ

1214
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:50,910
anything to do anything at all anything

1215
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:53,880
anything and so yeah if any of our

1216
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:56,130
listeners can come up with a limerick of

1217
00:52:00,020 --> 00:51:57,900
biblical proportions and send it in to

1218
00:52:01,730 --> 00:52:00,030
Richard that's how folks do you've heard

1219
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:01,740
you've heard the message send in your

1220
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,490
Limerick of biblical note to Richard at

1221
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:08,460
skeptic zone TV and we'll give you a

1222
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:10,260
couple of weeks to send them in I'll

1223
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:12,510
pass those on to you Stefan we'll both

1224
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:14,370
have a bit of a look and then we can

1225
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,630
choose a winner and the winner will get

1226
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:18,000
a copy of this Christ conundrum book and

1227
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:19,890
Ruth which might even help you write a

1228
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:21,990
better Limerick next time but we want to

1229
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:24,960
hear some fun all right thank you very

1230
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:27,570
much oh boy the places this show goes I

1231
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,670
I never know but we're going to a place

1232
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:31,440
which I've flown over but I've never

1233
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:34,260
visited we're going to Texas courtesy of

1234
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:36,270
Joe yes well Texas is certainly an

1235
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:38,610
interesting place and Ben Redford

1236
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:41,160
actually picked up the story I saw it

1237
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:43,230
earlier today you might remember about a

1238
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:45,210
year ago there was some really weird

1239
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:48,330
stories flying around the media about a

1240
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:51,990
horrific scene that was supposedly

1241
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,250
discovered on a property in Texas it was

1242
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:58,140
really busy it was quite bizarre there

1243
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:01,380
was something these reports about you

1244
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:05,760
know mass graves and you know all sorts

1245
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:08,460
of you know rotting corpses and and and

1246
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,940
that a lot of them were children and the

1247
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:13,680
the story disappeared fairly quickly

1248
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:14,940
because it turned out that it was a

1249
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,650
psychic who had actually called this

1250
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:19,200
report in to the police describing the

1251
00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:21,870
scene so so when the police actually

1252
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:23,790
went to investigate they found there was

1253
00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:26,190
really nothing to see there's a couple a

1254
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:28,950
couple Joe Bengston and jenica Charlton

1255
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:31,170
live on the property and when the police

1256
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,430
investigated they didn't find anything

1257
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:34,800
but what's now happened is that this

1258
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:38,190
couple are actually suing the police and

1259
00:53:42,970 --> 00:53:40,380
several major news organizations for

1260
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:42,980
defamation because of what happened

1261
00:53:46,850 --> 00:53:45,210
they're claiming that the sheriff's

1262
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:46,860
office in the media groups acted in a

1263
00:53:50,970 --> 00:53:48,810
reckless disregard and cause damage to

1264
00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:50,980
the couple's reputation and good name

1265
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:53,230
so they say that they are now unable to

1266
00:53:56,820 --> 00:53:54,609
return to their rendered home because

1267
00:53:59,160 --> 00:53:56,830
people are very suspicious of them and

1268
00:54:03,330 --> 00:53:59,170
you know a little bit put off by what

1269
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:03,340
happened so I mean apparently when when

1270
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:05,770
this all came about it was it was

1271
00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:08,650
absolute mayhem they had first the the

1272
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,880
county sheriff's office went to

1273
00:54:16,349 --> 00:54:12,160
investigate and then the day after that

1274
00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:16,359
they had the FBI Texas Rangers cadaver

1275
00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:19,300
dogs news helicopters you name it all

1276
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:20,560
descending on their property and all

1277
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:22,810
because this psychic had made this phone

1278
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:24,250
call claiming that this was on his

1279
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:27,970
property and they're there they're

1280
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:29,650
actually they're really suing a some

1281
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:31,060
major outfits including the New York

1282
00:54:36,330 --> 00:54:35,350
Times CNN and ABC News and I just

1283
00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:36,340
thought this is quite interesting

1284
00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:38,080
because you know this is one of those

1285
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,390
examples of where the behavior of a

1286
00:54:44,070 --> 00:54:42,640
psychic can really cause a lot of harm

1287
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:44,080
you know it's one of those things are

1288
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:45,640
people say oh you know it's a psychic

1289
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:47,230
it's a bit of fun what's wrong yes but

1290
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:49,090
um you know the claims that this person

1291
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:51,340
made were really pretty horrific and and

1292
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:53,230
these people have had their lives

1293
00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:55,570
damaged by it what's the police in an

1294
00:54:59,730 --> 00:54:57,790
almost impossible situation because I

1295
00:55:01,740 --> 00:54:59,740
know the police in this country are duty

1296
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:01,750
bound to follow up leads absolutely and

1297
00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:03,130
if someone walks in says look I know

1298
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:04,840
about this they have to follow it up

1299
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:06,970
well well and this is what the police

1300
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:08,440
said in this case is that the claims

1301
00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:10,180
were serious enough they did have to

1302
00:55:14,490 --> 00:55:12,280
have to follow up on well Joe can use

1303
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:14,500
reiterate what was reportedly on the

1304
00:55:20,310 --> 00:55:16,660
property so that this the psychic

1305
00:55:22,109 --> 00:55:20,320
claimed that there was a mass murder

1306
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:22,119
that they were dismembered corpses and a

1307
00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:24,609
mass grave and many of them were

1308
00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:27,880
children and it was quite bizarre and

1309
00:55:31,410 --> 00:55:29,560
the psychic had a vision of that they

1310
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:31,420
didn't think the details actually I

1311
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:33,790
didn't have time to look it up further I

1312
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:37,090
remember it at the time but I I didn't

1313
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:39,490
really know it's it's the old story is

1314
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:42,220
and I've seen this in printed on TV

1315
00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:44,590
psychics or say stuff that is not true

1316
00:55:49,950 --> 00:55:47,020
which which is off the mark which has no

1317
00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:49,960
relevance and afterwards they'll say I

1318
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:53,140
helped the police with this inquiry yep

1319
00:55:57,900 --> 00:55:55,240
absolutely whereas they should say and

1320
00:55:59,840 --> 00:55:57,910
you know what I hindered the police with

1321
00:56:03,060 --> 00:55:59,850
this inquiries what I really did but

1322
00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:03,070
people here that all of Mary blogs that

1323
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:04,990
the psychic help the police they're

1324
00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:06,790
usually just wasting resources you

1325
00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:08,980
sending him off on wild goose chases and

1326
00:56:14,849 --> 00:56:11,380
one of the cases that been documented

1327
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:14,859
was that in 2004 apparently a psychic

1328
00:56:19,859 --> 00:56:17,100
contacted the TSA the transport

1329
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:19,869
administration in the u.s. claiming that

1330
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:21,460
there was a bomb on board an american

1331
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:24,850
airlines flight and this resulted in you

1332
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:26,650
know the flight being cancelled and and

1333
00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:29,380
people you know being moved up different

1334
00:56:34,109 --> 00:56:32,980
flights on so you know they really it

1335
00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:34,119
really caused a lot of trouble

1336
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:37,240
mischievous is no it is it is like

1337
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:39,460
psychic so they don't or as we know they

1338
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:40,510
don't not always accurate with their

1339
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:42,130
timing so it could have actually been a

1340
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:44,200
massacre there may be 39 million years

1341
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:47,290
ago of austria politicus and so they're

1342
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:49,540
actually did sense the actual masa couch

1343
00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:52,270
or in the future yeah or even on another

1344
00:56:56,130 --> 00:56:53,950
planet somewhere they did since there

1345
00:56:58,260 --> 00:56:56,140
was a massacre they are at what a lovely

1346
00:57:01,980 --> 00:56:58,270
accurate if there is one thing i was

1347
00:57:04,109 --> 00:57:01,990
going to say big you know they are they

1348
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:04,119
yeah that's right there was a massacre

1349
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:06,730
just not exactly then and there I don't

1350
00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:09,010
know made out account well that's bull

1351
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:12,550
up from the main I'm breaking news desk

1352
00:57:17,580 --> 00:57:15,490
I'm news just a hand literally from the

1353
00:57:19,859 --> 00:57:17,590
last week or two is that the psychic TV

1354
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:19,869
is no longer the most sensationalist

1355
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,910
show you can watch on digital television

1356
00:57:25,770 --> 00:57:23,680
in Australia on a Saturday night no

1357
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,780
longer because I always enjoy cos it's

1358
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:27,040
always a bit of a fun David of a color

1359
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,080
reading it's a bit of fun but at eleven

1360
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:31,359
o'clock now there's two girls that kind

1361
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:33,730
of ring ring people on the phone and and

1362
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:35,980
get undressed and they get more unvested

1363
00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:38,020
midnight yeah I forget what I thought I

1364
00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:39,400
don't know what the show called but yeah

1365
00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:41,740
I believe it's like what are you kidding

1366
00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:44,440
yeah England I already do England a few

1367
00:57:47,490 --> 00:57:46,060
years ago there's about a hundred shows

1368
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:47,500
like that that they run on about a

1369
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:48,970
million channels all night it's great

1370
00:57:55,650 --> 00:57:52,210
it's just crazy that was awesome no no

1371
00:57:57,540 --> 00:57:55,660
it's it's terrible I'm quite saddened to

1372
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,550
see that not only there is such rubbish

1373
00:58:03,249 --> 00:58:00,079
a psychic TV but this this thing

1374
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:03,259
it was it sadly the only thing to watch

1375
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:06,190
on TV on a Saturday night its range so

1376
00:58:11,469 --> 00:58:09,529
it's 25 like I can't you say that I was

1377
00:58:13,809 --> 00:58:11,479
greatly saddened earlier this year I was

1378
00:58:16,449 --> 00:58:13,819
talking to a bunch of you 11 year 12

1379
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:16,459
students in Newcastle and I casually

1380
00:58:19,479 --> 00:58:17,930
mentioned other what I'm going to do to

1381
00:58:21,609 --> 00:58:19,489
appear vaguely hip here I casually

1382
00:58:25,089 --> 00:58:21,619
mentioned that I'd hosted rage twice and

1383
00:58:27,249 --> 00:58:25,099
they did not know what rage was these

1384
00:58:29,229 --> 00:58:27,259
these kids were placed yes there were

1385
00:58:30,489 --> 00:58:29,239
students from Jasmine hi Newcastle and I

1386
00:58:32,049 --> 00:58:30,499
think they got all their film clips from

1387
00:58:34,779 --> 00:58:32,059
youtube and other places and didn't

1388
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,789
watch rage so I thought I think there's

1389
00:58:38,349 --> 00:58:36,559
some people it's become a less narrator

1390
00:58:39,999 --> 00:58:38,359
look for their film clips but I as

1391
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:40,009
always the allnighters wasn't well I

1392
00:58:46,089 --> 00:58:42,529
hosted it live on under new year's eve

1393
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:46,099
of 87 88 or 88 89 at the Rat Pack would

1394
00:58:49,299 --> 00:58:47,599
have been watching what was actually

1395
00:58:51,309 --> 00:58:49,309
live and I think it's one of the few

1396
00:58:52,779 --> 00:58:51,319
times at rage has been live and then the

1397
00:58:55,029 --> 00:58:52,789
time after that I played a whole bunch

1398
00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:55,039
of weird Allen Ringo Starr songs so but

1399
00:59:00,009 --> 00:58:57,700
i think i was watching at work and at

1400
00:59:02,049 --> 00:59:00,019
tam australia someone came up to me and

1401
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:02,059
said look I i met the girlfriend before

1402
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:03,890
my wife watching your show that night

1403
00:59:08,589 --> 00:59:05,690
and I didn't know what to say thank you

1404
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:08,599
or not girlfriend the girl whatever is

1405
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:12,319
what yes yes but this weekend we're

1406
00:59:16,329 --> 00:59:14,329
doing some very special things we're

1407
00:59:17,380 --> 00:59:16,339
going to do some filming it's supernova

1408
00:59:19,150 --> 00:59:17,390
we're hoping to catch up with

1409
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:19,160
Christopher Lloyd I want to ask him what

1410
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:20,690
it was like to produce the entire Fraser

1411
00:59:27,219 --> 00:59:24,079
series and also to do a course a Roger

1412
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:27,229
Rabbit in that and yvonne craig the

1413
00:59:30,759 --> 00:59:28,729
original Batgirl were hoping to catch up

1414
00:59:32,589 --> 00:59:30,769
with them but even if we don't just the

1415
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:32,599
fans and you know the people that are

1416
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:33,650
getting around in their undies dressed

1417
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:36,170
as vampire hunters men and women let me

1418
00:59:39,370 --> 00:59:37,640
tell you I may not we were there last

1419
00:59:41,439 --> 00:59:39,380
year and we filmed a great report which

1420
00:59:44,049 --> 00:59:41,449
is online that's right if you just

1421
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:44,059
Google main out at supernova I have a

1422
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:45,529
look there and you'll see Larry Hagman

1423
00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:47,089
having a chat and also with my childhood

1424
00:59:50,890 --> 00:59:49,400
friend Roger Healey from I Dream of

1425
00:59:52,989 --> 00:59:50,900
Jeannie as we spoke to them both

1426
00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:52,999
remember I did and there's a great

1427
00:59:56,439 --> 00:59:55,190
TARDIS dress in there because people

1428
00:59:58,209 --> 00:59:56,449
make dresses out of Tardos it's

1429
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,219
fantastic you know I wish I could fit

1430
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:00,079
into them oh and one thing before I go

1431
01:00:05,620 --> 01:00:03,170
if for all your Shatner needs get to be

1432
01:00:07,539 --> 01:00:05,630
get to the look at his butt podcaster

1433
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,549
there there are two girls that do the

1434
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:09,920
two skeptics that do the best check if

1435
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:12,170
if you only listen to one Shatner

1436
01:00:15,319 --> 01:00:13,170
podcast

1437
01:00:19,579 --> 01:00:15,329
in your lifetime it's got to be look at

1438
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:19,589
his butt wise words indeed from a night

1439
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:21,569
I can't think of anything else to top

1440
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:25,020
that can you no no girls are just

1441
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:26,609
anybody else got a shat in a podcast

1442
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:28,380
they're all run away by just maybe doing

1443
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:30,089
some research actually they're doing so

1444
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:32,010
this covered something called a Q sensor

1445
01:00:41,299 --> 01:00:39,720
bracelet this is really weird I actually

1446
01:00:45,799 --> 01:00:41,309
I just came across this now while we

1447
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:45,809
were walking breaking news I'm not sure

1448
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:47,670
I medical correspond actually it's not

1449
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:49,290
that dr. H and I distracted which is

1450
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,410
very good multi-part so what is this

1451
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:54,000
it's um it's really strange it was

1452
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:55,680
actually this is from the sydney morning

1453
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,740
herald website at some so so Bill Gates

1454
01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:00,240
is apparently putting 1.4 million

1455
01:01:04,819 --> 01:01:02,940
dollars to u.s. University researchers

1456
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:04,829
who are planning to use these Q sensors

1457
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:07,079
which are some kind of bracelet and they

1458
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:08,730
say the sensors in these bracelets

1459
01:01:13,339 --> 01:01:11,490
detect excitement stress fear engagement

1460
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:13,349
boredom and relaxation through the skin

1461
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:15,210
and that past studies with autistic

1462
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:17,160
children have used these bracelets to

1463
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:18,809
show those who might seem unresponsive

1464
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:20,940
to external stimuli are engaged in

1465
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:24,420
learning it's really odd I mean I it

1466
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:26,609
looks very interesting but it it just

1467
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:28,530
sounds to me like something that you be

1468
01:01:33,859 --> 01:01:31,740
using like a lie detector type situation

1469
01:01:36,530 --> 01:01:33,869
in detecting you know something should

1470
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:36,540
we say early days yeah look I don't want

1471
01:01:39,740 --> 01:01:37,890
to be jumping on this immediately and

1472
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:39,750
saying this is nonsense because you know

1473
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:41,970
as Rachel and I were just saying it's

1474
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:44,910
you know it you wouldn't really expect

1475
01:01:49,069 --> 01:01:47,190
something like the Bill and Melinda

1476
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:49,079
Gates Foundation tempers Rachel put up

1477
01:01:52,490 --> 01:01:50,250
to have the wool pulled over their eyes

1478
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:52,500
but it just seems a little bit

1479
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,540
implausible and odd but also they're not

1480
01:02:02,809 --> 01:01:59,520
making any medical claims they're just

1481
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:02,819
saying that it's you can protect people

1482
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,970
how people are responding to things I

1483
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:07,680
don't know it's maybe a plausible well

1484
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:09,990
aim the aim is actually to use it in the

1485
01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:12,270
classroom to determine whether kids are

1486
01:02:16,579 --> 01:02:14,280
engaged with learning and to help them

1487
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:16,589
respond better to their learning needs

1488
01:02:20,839 --> 01:02:19,290
and see how kids are behaving in the

1489
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:20,849
classroom think you know I think it's

1490
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:22,530
mostly motion sensing so you could

1491
01:02:25,850 --> 01:02:23,609
actually tell if they're picking their

1492
01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:25,860
nose or scratching you

1493
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:27,270
scheduled your backside I think that's

1494
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:28,740
when you've got your back turned on the

1495
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:31,170
blackberry like four days these days I

1496
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:32,910
mean who knows what the kid I mean it

1497
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:34,290
could show that a child is entirely

1498
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,790
engaged but they could engage in

1499
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:37,680
something even come on I didn't have a

1500
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,250
texting probably well I'm gonna run away

1501
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:43,200
and do some texting at the moment I

1502
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:45,810
think our glasses are empty how sad is

1503
01:02:50,810 --> 01:02:47,430
that all one maybe just one little drop

1504
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:50,820
left there we go enough to say thank you

1505
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:53,370
Maynard for coming along I'll look it's

1506
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:55,650
a pleasure Maynard calm da to you that's

1507
01:02:59,300 --> 01:02:57,780
the way Stevan oh it's been wonderful

1508
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:59,310
being here I have to come back here in

1509
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:01,140
less than six months what's your website

1510
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:04,260
are I've forgotten putter thanks

1511
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:09,270
facebook really Joe Benna moon thank you

1512
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:11,670
for coming along thanks Richard and dr.

1513
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:13,770
a cheap thank you did you hear that

1514
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:16,910
trumpet in some guy blowing his nose

1515
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:19,110
what a club is this folks cheers

1516
01:03:43,150 --> 01:03:41,049
hello Richard son is here with a little

1517
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:43,160
bit of information for those people

1518
01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:46,130
living in the Bay Area the San Francisco

1519
01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:48,980
Bay Area I'm going to be speaking about

1520
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:51,140
my adventures with the power balance

1521
01:03:59,049 --> 01:03:54,319
wristband at a special event hosted by

1522
01:04:03,220 --> 01:03:59,059
the Bay Area skeptics 7 p.m. wednesday

1523
01:04:05,319 --> 01:04:03,230
the 11th of july at lapenna lounge which

1524
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:05,329
is according to the information i am

1525
01:04:10,749 --> 01:04:08,210
seeing a six minute stroll from ashby

1526
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:10,759
bart station now you can find out more

1527
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:16,670
details by visiting w WB a skeptics dot

1528
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:22,640
org also if you visit www tech zone TV

1529
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:25,369
you can bid on an autographed photograph

1530
01:04:34,329 --> 01:04:30,170
of the think tank crew myself iran say

1531
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:34,339
give joanne bender mu stefan sojka dr.

1532
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:37,670
Richie Dunlop and Maynard also included

1533
01:04:42,579 --> 01:04:39,890
in that auction is an autographed copy

1534
01:04:55,230 --> 01:04:42,589
of maynards book Maynard's and guide

1535
01:05:00,450 --> 01:04:58,290
Richard now I realize why I miss this

1536
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:00,460
show so much why being away from it i

1537
01:05:05,730 --> 01:05:03,910
pine i pine i agonize and I just wish

1538
01:05:07,350 --> 01:05:05,740
that I was here more often it's because

1539
01:05:09,060 --> 01:05:07,360
the show so good I thought it was

1540
01:05:11,609 --> 01:05:09,070
because of the drinks that our listeners

1541
01:05:13,050 --> 01:05:11,619
bias oh well that that's yeah and the

1542
01:05:14,670 --> 01:05:13,060
ones we by ourselves as well that's

1543
01:05:18,540 --> 01:05:14,680
right well you know that on the skeptics

1544
01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:18,550
on website now www its own TV I there's

1545
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:21,100
an option instead of donating to the

1546
01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:23,680
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1547
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:26,020
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1548
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:27,280
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1549
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:30,400
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1550
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:34,000
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1551
01:05:37,980 --> 01:05:35,770
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1552
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1553
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:41,560
like a check it out also on the website

1554
01:05:44,670 --> 01:05:43,510
I've got a little trailer for a new

1555
01:05:47,310 --> 01:05:44,680
project I'm working on called the

1556
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:47,320
vaccination Chronicles oh awesome yeah

1557
01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:49,720
very important inch of little

1558
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:51,940
documentary I'm working on I've seen

1559
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:53,290
some of the shorts it's looking good

1560
01:05:56,820 --> 01:05:55,090
it's looking good I would not know no

1561
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:56,830
previews anything at the adjust a little

1562
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,810
teaser little days are just little

1563
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:01,119
things right yeah oh yeah and don't

1564
01:06:05,370 --> 01:06:03,250
forget that the the Christ conundrum

1565
01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:05,380
give away the book that's right i forget

1566
01:06:09,030 --> 01:06:07,300
to come up with your limerick and get on

1567
01:06:10,770 --> 01:06:09,040
to the website and tell us about that

1568
01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:10,780
and we do have that free autographed

1569
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:14,500
copy of and recruits book that Christ

1570
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:16,090
conundrum and of course just to remind

1571
01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:17,650
you if you write to Richard at skipped

1572
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,720
exam TV with your Limerick that's right

1573
01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:21,760
and in a couple of weeks you'll be the

1574
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:23,260
judge still judging and will send off

1575
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:26,520
that book at limerick about Jesus or

1576
01:06:31,290 --> 01:06:29,530
whatever-related religion the religion

1577
01:06:33,210 --> 01:06:31,300
ease something something like typical

1578
01:06:36,270 --> 01:06:33,220
feeling it is really gonna Limerick of

1579
01:06:38,099 --> 01:06:36,280
biblical proportions I like the way I

1580
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:38,109
like it all five lines all right well I

1581
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:39,940
think I'm ready to collapse it was a

1582
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:42,490
girl I'm a big Chinese dinner had some

1583
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,710
drinks I'm coming back you're going back

1584
01:06:52,579 --> 01:06:46,720
in less than six months I'm glad to hear

1585
01:06:59,970 --> 01:06:54,990
you've been listening to the skeptic

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